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		<title>By: Ron&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Madame Speaker</title>
		<link>http://ronsmusings.com/2006/07/28/a-living-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Madame Speaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Raising the minimum wage is more problematic, as I&#8217;ve written before. Hopefully Bush would veto such legislation but there is little reason to suspect he would considering his reluctance to wield the veto pen to date. So, millions of low income families would find themselves as no income families when companies find themselves unable to maintain the same level of employment. Sometimes you just have to see for yourself just how bad an idea really is. If she is successful in raising the minimum wage to $7.25 in one step, the results will be immediate and harsh. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Raising the minimum wage is more problematic, as I&#8217;ve written before. Hopefully Bush would veto such legislation but there is little reason to suspect he would considering his reluctance to wield the veto pen to date. So, millions of low income families would find themselves as no income families when companies find themselves unable to maintain the same level of employment. Sometimes you just have to see for yourself just how bad an idea really is. If she is successful in raising the minimum wage to $7.25 in one step, the results will be immediate and harsh. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Goodwyne</title>
		<link>http://ronsmusings.com/2006/07/28/a-living-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Goodwyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, the situations you mention, while heart breaking and unfortunate, aren&#039;t really related the problem of a minimum wage.  And the fact is, if the minimum wage gets raised to $7.25, the amount Congress is now considering, the situation of your relatives and other like them will be worse, not better.  Businesses that are barely holding on will not hold on any longer if their cost of doing business suddenly goes up drastically.

This is another case of what economist Thomas Sowell calls first stage thinking.  Yes, at first glance it appears raising the minimum wage would benefit lower income people.  But the reality is, it will cause more of them to be unemployed.  That has been the case from the introduction of a minimum wage through every increase.  Each time, more low income people end up unemployed.

I don&#039;t pretend to have the answers for people like your two aunts.  For many the answer is to move to where the jobs are.  Some people are unwilling to do that.  But they make that choice.  As for severe medical situations, that has nothing to do with a minimum wage.  

As for your aunt who was in prison, I don&#039;t want to sound heartless but there are real world consequences for making bad choices.  I do not see why it should be the responsibility of private employers to take up the slack she created in her life.

The reality is that most people who are stuck in low paying jobs later in life are where they are because of bad choices they made in life.  But even then, they can do what it takes to get ahead.  If your aunt is stuck in a low paying job in an area where there are few opportunities, she can move.  Many others have been in as bad or worse circumstances but chose to do what it took to overcome those circumstances.  It can be done if you have the will and determination to do it.  But the responsibility is the individual&#039;s, not government&#039;s and not private business&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, the situations you mention, while heart breaking and unfortunate, aren&#8217;t really related the problem of a minimum wage.  And the fact is, if the minimum wage gets raised to $7.25, the amount Congress is now considering, the situation of your relatives and other like them will be worse, not better.  Businesses that are barely holding on will not hold on any longer if their cost of doing business suddenly goes up drastically.</p>
<p>This is another case of what economist Thomas Sowell calls first stage thinking.  Yes, at first glance it appears raising the minimum wage would benefit lower income people.  But the reality is, it will cause more of them to be unemployed.  That has been the case from the introduction of a minimum wage through every increase.  Each time, more low income people end up unemployed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t pretend to have the answers for people like your two aunts.  For many the answer is to move to where the jobs are.  Some people are unwilling to do that.  But they make that choice.  As for severe medical situations, that has nothing to do with a minimum wage.  </p>
<p>As for your aunt who was in prison, I don&#8217;t want to sound heartless but there are real world consequences for making bad choices.  I do not see why it should be the responsibility of private employers to take up the slack she created in her life.</p>
<p>The reality is that most people who are stuck in low paying jobs later in life are where they are because of bad choices they made in life.  But even then, they can do what it takes to get ahead.  If your aunt is stuck in a low paying job in an area where there are few opportunities, she can move.  Many others have been in as bad or worse circumstances but chose to do what it took to overcome those circumstances.  It can be done if you have the will and determination to do it.  But the responsibility is the individual&#8217;s, not government&#8217;s and not private business&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah bjarah</title>
		<link>http://ronsmusings.com/2006/07/28/a-living-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah bjarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s your solution for the people who fall through the cracks that you mentioned--&quot;union towns or small communities where a single industry was the center of the economy and it left&quot;?
Being from one of those towns, I&#039;d like to know. My aunt works at a Best Western as a house keeper.  Her boss takes advantage of her friendship all the time, despite the fact that she&#039;s recently recovered from lymphoma and shouldn&#039;t be working those long hours.  My aunt is around 50, and just got out of prison 3 years ago.  What should she do?
My other aunt works for an Ethan Allen factory.  She&#039;s been there for a long time, but I can&#039;t remember the last time she got a promotion, or even a raise.  All I know is she now lives with my parents because she couldn&#039;t scrape enough money together to live in a town where the rent is cheap and still pay for her meds as she has lupus, among other non-self-inflicted health problems.  What should she do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s your solution for the people who fall through the cracks that you mentioned&#8211;&#8221;union towns or small communities where a single industry was the center of the economy and it left&#8221;?<br />
Being from one of those towns, I&#8217;d like to know. My aunt works at a Best Western as a house keeper.  Her boss takes advantage of her friendship all the time, despite the fact that she&#8217;s recently recovered from lymphoma and shouldn&#8217;t be working those long hours.  My aunt is around 50, and just got out of prison 3 years ago.  What should she do?<br />
My other aunt works for an Ethan Allen factory.  She&#8217;s been there for a long time, but I can&#8217;t remember the last time she got a promotion, or even a raise.  All I know is she now lives with my parents because she couldn&#8217;t scrape enough money together to live in a town where the rent is cheap and still pay for her meds as she has lupus, among other non-self-inflicted health problems.  What should she do?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Goodwyne</title>
		<link>http://ronsmusings.com/2006/07/28/a-living-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Goodwyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that much of it is intentional as I mentioned above.  This relates to my earlier post about demagogues.  The issue is not whether wages are fair or not, it is how democrats can gain support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that much of it is intentional as I mentioned above.  This relates to my earlier post about demagogues.  The issue is not whether wages are fair or not, it is how democrats can gain support.</p>
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		<title>By: gsmith</title>
		<link>http://ronsmusings.com/2006/07/28/a-living-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>gsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree with you more on this topic, Ron.  Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams have some of the best writings around on this subject.  It really is simple economics and common sense, but I haven&#039;t yet decided whether the Democrats truly believe they are helping the poor, or willfully distorting the facts for an uneducated electorate because they know they can.  Probably some of both, I expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree with you more on this topic, Ron.  Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams have some of the best writings around on this subject.  It really is simple economics and common sense, but I haven&#8217;t yet decided whether the Democrats truly believe they are helping the poor, or willfully distorting the facts for an uneducated electorate because they know they can.  Probably some of both, I expect.</p>
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